Thursday 27 September 2007

Yet more blog censorship - Welsh Nationalist style.

I have just returned from Ordovicius' blog http://this-is-sparta.blogspot.com/ and I am amazed to see that he is complaining about 'blog censorship'.

As readers may know, I am banned from his blog, for my contrary views, and have been labelled and libelled as a 'racist'.

Of course, he provides no indication of any evidence for his allegation and merely states that his blog is not a 'public service', and yet he uses other people's blogs in that self same manner. Just a minor hypocrisy, more to follow.

Unfortunately, irrespective of Ordo's blog being a public service or not, it certainly does not give him the right to make such scurrilous allegations without evidence to back it up.

Presumably, Ordo, the self styled 'Free Range Welsh Nationalist', seeks to restrict the 'range' of free-thinking opinion if it differs from his somewhat narrow and blinkered views.

It seems coincidental to me that I am also banned from alanindyfed's and Welsh Independence, which just happen to be Welsh Nationalist blogs as well.

Just what is it with these Nationalists? Is it one rule for them and another for the rest of us?

I have contributed to a number of blogs and have stated my views openly and although the blog owners may not necessarily agree with my views, they nevertheless address them and put forward their own rebuttals in a civilised manner.

This is what dialogue, debate, blogging and the 'Big Conversation' are all about.

Ordo further states:

"I suggest that such people move to China, where I'm sure they'll feel much more comfortable with the blogosphere."

Am I to take it that Ordo has already booked his ticket or is this just another example of his Welsh Nationalist hypocrisy?

I have previously posted on what appears to be racist imagery on alanindyfed's Welsh Nationalist blog http://alanindyfed.blogspot.com/ and although comments were left, there wasn't one that addressed the matter concerned. I wonder why?

The ill-considered use of the word 'racism' and the activity itself are abhorrent in this diverse world of ours, yet some people bandy the word around without a single idea or concept of the reality of racism.

I invite Ordo, yet again, to withdraw his allegation or to provide evidence to support it.

Better still, as he indicates that he will be able to identify me, Extreme Tracker eh! I would invite him to knock on my door at any time and make his allegation to my face. I won't hold my breath.

If Ordo has the courage to address the matter I would gladly accept a withdrawal of his allegation and leave it at that.

If not, this matter is not going to go away, as he has caused offence to others apart from myself.

I would wish to keep this in the public domain as it clearly exemplifies the true nature of Welsh Nationalism in its crudest form.

Your persistently polemic pal.

johnny.

58 Comments:

At 27 September 2007 at 14:40 , Blogger justin davies said...

You are absolutely right about the accusations of 'racism' being easy to bandy around. Like any negative label (like the Nationalist's 'Brit' and the unionist's 'Nationalist') it is often used as a simple tool to belittle a viewpoint that is different to that held by the accuser.

Racism (= the hatred of a person because (s)he is of a certain colour or culture) is not only abhorrent, but also wastes a whole lot of energy and potential, and makes everyone poorer. Using racism as a convenient excuse cheapens both the debate and the suffering of the genuine victims of racism.

If you have been banned from any blog for expressing a contrary opinion, then that blog's discussion is poorer as a result. (though just to be devil's advocate, is it your opinion or your robustness that has upset said bloggers?)

But I feel that the level of discussion in Wales can descend quite quickly into 'I'm not going to consider your viewpoint because you're ... (insert Brit, Nationalist, not as Welsh as me, from the north / south etc).

Ignore the negative hypocrites (On both sides of the divide!) Johnny, and be a beacon of calm thinking - maybe healthy debate is not dead after all.

 
At 27 September 2007 at 22:29 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

So have all Nationalist bloggers banned you, or just a couple? If it is just the two then you are generalising a bit. Ordovicious certainly can be a bit of a pain, he's deleted quite a few of my comments and I'm a bloody Nationalist myself.

 
At 27 September 2007 at 23:05 , Blogger johnny foreigner said...

Justin:

Thanks for your comment.

It appears to me that it is only certain of the more noisy Welsh Nationalists who take the option of banning dissenting views, and we all know what 'empty vessels' do.

When Ordo branded me as a racist, that was the action of a clearly desperate man who doesn't have the intellectual capacity to address my viewpoint.

Perhaps it may be my somewhat robust mode of delivery that has upset these bloggers. Nevertheless, I have been described as a 'breath of fresh air' by others and will continue to state my views irrespective of a few people who are not prepared to discuss matters of such importance.

Thankfully, most bloggers, be they Unionist, Nationalist or whatever, have permitted my postings and have addressed them. For this they have earned my respect despite our differing views.

Rest assured, Justin, I am here for the duration, and look forward to further involvement in the 'Big Conversation'.

Your permanent pal.

johnny.

 
At 27 September 2007 at 23:19 , Blogger johnny foreigner said...

Nonny:

I am only banned from Ordo's, the dyfedian's and Welsh Independence. So no great loss there.

As Ordo has deleted you, a Nationalist, could this be the start of some consensus? I hope so.

Welcome to the club?

Your patrial pal.

johnny.

 
At 28 September 2007 at 10:41 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

What is Extreme Tracker?

 
At 28 September 2007 at 14:42 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Extreme Tracker is a download that provides statistical information regarding a site's activity.

Ordo has tried to indicate that he can use Extreme Tracker to trace any visitors to his blog and has threatened to identify me.

The challenge remains unanswered as yet and I look forward to being 'unmasked' by the great Ordo.

Basically he's full of s**t and seeks to attempt to bully me with his stupid threats.

Unfortunately for him, he's picked on the wrong one with me, and I look forward to challenging him at every given opportunity.

Stay posted, this could be fun.

Your playful pal.

johnny.

 
At 28 September 2007 at 17:37 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Ordo has tried to indicate that he can use Extreme Tracker to trace any visitors to his blog and has threatened to identify me"

He can, that's what ET's for. You can't race private addresses but government computers are a peace of piss, as they're not private. Haven't seen him make any threats though. I think he'd miss all the attention you give him.

 
At 28 September 2007 at 21:30 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

If he can, why doesn't he?

Is this Tracker exclusive to him? No, of course it's not. Anyone can download it, but I just can't be arsed.

He has branded me as a racist and up with that I will not put.

If he's so smart, why doesn't he say it to my face?

I'll leave you to work that one out.

Your pal.

johnny.

 
At 28 September 2007 at 23:03 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said: What is Extreme Tracker?

I asked because I didn't know.

Are you really saying that another Blogger is using threats of electronic surveillance to 'out you' in order to try to silence you?

 
At 28 September 2007 at 23:30 , Blogger johnny foreigner said...

That's right. I didn't know either, I'm not a computer expert. My expertise is in other areas.

I am fortunate in that I have grandchildren in university who have vast knowledge of such things and would just love to help Gramps if he asked.

Ordo has mentioned that he has the capability to 'out' me. I await his pleasure.

Unfortunately for him, he neither knows who I am, nor what I am.

He appears to lack any degree of intellectual capability as he seems to think that I am impressed by his threats and will remain silent. He is intolerant of others views and has little to offer in the way of civilised discourse. The 'beast' has now been unleashed, so to speak.

He has branded me as a racist without the slightest 'evidence' to support him. I do not take such things lightly and intend to confront him with the allegation at every opportunity.

I have offered him the option of either justifying his words publicly or to withdraw them.

He merely utters threats.

Ordovicius exemplifies the nasty and offensive side of Nationalism but unfortunately for him, he's picked on a 'live one' with me.

Your pal.

johnny.

 
At 29 September 2007 at 01:02 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I see that Ord has voted himself the top Plaid blogger .... the man certainly has an ego and what's more he only joined the party last week.

 
At 29 September 2007 at 08:42 , Blogger Aran said...

Maybe he thinks you're a racist because of this little pearl:

'I would venture to suggest that Black people are intrinsically better in the athletic field due to their musculature. Whilst they rarely excel at swimming for the same reason.'

I can't see why 'outing' would worry you. Unless you're posting from the Assembly, and have told a few lies about who you are?

 
At 29 September 2007 at 10:43 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

If Johnny is posting from the Assembly he must be a security guard because he usually posts when all the office wallahs are safely tucked-up in bed.

By the way calling Johnny a racist because of his observation that most sprinters are black whereas top-class swimmers aren't is a load of brain-dead PC twaddle.

 
At 29 September 2007 at 18:39 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Johnny Foreigner said: That's right. I didn't know either.

Is there an understanding among bloggers the sort of thing where you respect te other persons decision to name themselves ot not?@like a cod eof conduct?

 
At 30 September 2007 at 00:01 , Blogger johnny foreigner said...

Aran said...

Maybe he thinks you're a racist because of this little pearl:

'I would venture to suggest that Black people are intrinsically better in the athletic field due to their musculature. Whilst they rarely excel at swimming for the same reason.'

johnny says....

Nice try Aran, it's a pity you don't show the context of my comment and my response to you.

Your previous 'loaded' questions really do you no justice, and merely confirm my suspicion of anything to do with your Nationalism.

For clarity and ease of reference, I append the following previously stated 'pearls'.

"Further, I would suggest that no people are intrinsically better than others in terms of their devotion to their families and loved ones."

"If you are seeking to know whether I find any particular races to be superior or inferior, as in the Nazi doctrine of Ubermensch and Untermensch, I am afraid that I have to disappoint you."

"We are all God's creatures, or, if you wish, the products of Darwinian evolution, and as such are born equal. Does this answer your slippery question?"

Further, if I wish to identify myself, I will.

Furthermore, as I have stated previously, I do not work at, or for, the Assembly and have no connection to any mainstream political parties and have told no lies.

I hope that these 'pearls' satisfy you, as I would not wish to be accused of 'casting them before swine'.

Your pearlescent pal.

johnny.

 
At 30 September 2007 at 00:32 , Blogger johnny foreigner said...

Nonny @ 10:43.

Nope, not a security guard either. I'm afraid that you're not even warm.

With regard to the 'racism' matter, unfortunately, our Nationalist friends have little concept of anthropologigal matters.

Your pal.

johnny.

 
At 30 September 2007 at 01:06 , Blogger johnny foreigner said...

Nonny @ 18:39.

Code of conduct? I don't know about that, but most bloggers conduct themselves in a reasonable manner.

Unfortunately, Ordo seems to think that he can intimidate me with his boyish threats.

This, presumably, is because I constantly challenge him to either justify his allegation of 'racism' or to withdraw it.

Although Ordo seems to consider himself somewhat superior to 'amateurs' such as myself, he appears to have some deficiencies in 'other' areas.

Your pal.

johnny.

 
At 30 September 2007 at 10:20 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

'Code of conduct? I don't know...'

I hven't followed the debates so far but the reason why I asked is this.

What is blogging. Is it a free-for-all where there are no boundaries and you can say what you want with the only limit being legal action for defamation, or is there an understanding that you don't slander/libel someone (another blogger) without proof, you don't use sneak-tactics that you'd expect the security service and political black-art-practitioners to use to frighten off their political opponents. I think you also mentioned being censored.

I'm trying to understand what it is you're saying becaue I have only just caught up on the debate.

 
At 30 September 2007 at 17:53 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi Johnny
Interesting debate - it seems to me that people sort of self-select their positions. I blog for fun and on stuff that sometimes is very close to my heart. I do not expect to be marked out of ten on it and to be honest sometimes the intellectual masturbation that goes on just bores me. What I do find is if I interject I am most times ignored maybe I am looked on as an interloper or just not worth a comment. I am sad that recently some good bloggers have gone. It’s the frisson that your sort of comment creates I love keep going.
Threats of outing are just not on , for what ever reason that people feel they have to have a screen name we should all respect.

 
At 1 October 2007 at 01:08 , Blogger johnny foreigner said...

Nonny @ 10:20.

To the best of my knowledge, blogging originated as an individuals opportunity to express their thoughts and to allow comment thereupon.

It seems to have to developed into 'open-ended' debate on every subject under the Sun.

The Welsh blogmosphere, currently, seems to revolve around the particular differences in perceived National Identity, as can be seen on Gwe and Normal Mouth's blogs.

My Anti-Nationalist views appear to have caused some minor discussions which have resulted in much opprobrium from the Nationalist quarter.

For clear examples of the more extreme, you could visit alanindyfed or Ordovicius' blogs for perfect examples of the nastier side of Nationalism.

Naturally, I am banned from these, and other, blogs for my dissenting views. It would appear that dissent is not tolerated within the Nationalist philosophy.

Ordo has descended to the lowest level by branding me as a racist, yet continually fails to justify his statement.

Nevertheless, I will continue my activities and will constantly remind him and his cronies of the plain wrong that they have done. He has caused particular offence, and yet seems to lack the courage to defend his accusation.

Ordo, with his indications of 'expertise', has threatened to 'out' me with some download called Extreme Tracker. This again is typical of the tactics used by these unsavoury people and increases my resolve massively.

All I can really say is, 'bring it on', big boy.

Nevertheless, these more 'swivel-eyed' Nationalists are countered by others who, despite our differing views, gladly engage in civilised discourse, which, of course, is a typically British concept.

In conclusion, I would merely add that bloggers, in the main, are just people that like a good debate, chat or other civilised communication.

Your perlocutionary pal.

johnny.

 
At 1 October 2007 at 04:04 , Blogger johnny foreigner said...

Hello Mam.

Thanks for your observations. You are quite right, of course, when you state that many "self-select their positions". I must confess that I am as guilty as any. I have always been interested in debate and have used the blogmosphere to that end.

I have noted that your blog, frequently, contains postings that are far removed from local Welsh issues and are a refreshing change to read.

I am fortunate in that I have received a reasonable education and have always enjoyed writing and the written word. I try to make my postings in my own particular 'style' and would condemn anyone who criticised another's abilities of expression.

Your dislike of what you describe as "intellectual masturbation" is, I believe, tinged with wryness but is well observed.

I must confess, again, that I am sometimes guilty of this 'sin', but prefer to address opponents with a point of view that is sometimes difficult to argue with.

You may have noted the many times that I have posted quite cogent and straightforward responses that remain un-responded to. Curiously enough, this is particularly noticable with our Nationalist friends.

There appear to be some bloggers who rely on their interpretation of statistics in order to further their argument. This is reminiscent of my days of listening to Radio Moscow and 'marvelling' at their tractor production figures.

I'm afraid that I must disagree with your following statement:

"What I do find is if I interject I am most times ignored maybe I am looked on as an interloper or just not worth a comment."

From what I have seen, you appear to be well respected, by many on the blogmosphere and, I believe, are frequently read, so please don't be disheartened by what appears to be ignorance or dismissiveness. Just imagine what it's like for me. At least you haven't been banned from any blogs......yet.

The Odourous one's threat to 'out' me, quite frankly, does not surprise me, and to my mind is just a desperate attempt to silence me. Unfortunately, for him, he has grossly insulted me, my family and friends by branding me as a 'racist' for my anti-Welsh Nationalist views. He has absolutely no concept of the realities of racism and merely seeks to use this cowardly and unfounded slur in order to intimidate me. Again, unfortunately for him, he has picked on a 'live one' with me.

To date, he has made his accusation and has failed completely to justify it. I continue to offer him the choice to justify or withdraw, but he seeks to dismiss me as being obsessed with him. The boy has much to learn and I'm on his case.

I suppose, years ago, I would have cuffed him around the chin with my gauntlet and demanded satisfaction with his choice of weapons. Sadly, this is not permitted nowadays. Perhaps that's just as well.

I must agree with Ordo when he states that bloggers come and go. We have lost a few 'good 'uns' lately. Hopefully, you will remain, and I promise to do my best to keep challenging the more radical aspirations of the Nationalist cause.

Your politely propaedeutic pal.

johnny.

 
At 1 October 2007 at 04:27 , Blogger johnny foreigner said...

STOP PRESS!!!BREAKING NEWS, PARTICULARLY FOR ARAN.

Ethiopian Haile Gebrsellassie has smashed the World Marathon record in Berlin with a time of 2hrs. 4mins. and 26secs.

This is 29 seconds inside the previous record.

Ethiopian Gethi Wami of Ethiopia won the women's race in a time of 2:23:17.

Unfortunately, Jamaican Asafa Powell failed to improve on his world 100m record and ONLY managed to turn in a time of 9.83 secs.

In all of these races the game, but plucky, Caucasians were bringing up the rear.

Are you convinced yet Aran?

Anthropology wins yet again.

Your puffing-past-the-post pal.

johnny.

 
At 1 October 2007 at 16:54 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm now catching up on the detail of the debate.

From the descriptions this blogger doesn't seem to have broken any commonly agreed code (though sneak tactics don't do his reputation any favours from what I'm reading here). But there is a different code - the legal code. If he had made his allegation to you not knowing who you are he couldn't have defamed you, but this blogger says hes used Extreme Tracker to identify you. If he has made a defamatory remark (and knows who you are) which he can't justify, and refuses to justify then he probably has defamed you.
I agree with the blogperson who saud 'Threats of outing are just not on for whatever reason people feel they have to have ascreen name we should allk, respect'.
There are plenty of reasons. Mine is that I am legally trained and wouldn't want to be compromised.

 
At 1 October 2007 at 19:38 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Johnny you have cheered me no end thanks and please keep blogging in your great tongue in cheek style
I so enjoy it
I aim to keep going I too enjoy it and like to wander across the great divides. Wales must not be let to be insular we have much to give and much to receive. We have never been inward.
I so miss the likes of Cleckandra, Seneddwr and Guinevere who were only there for a short while but looked so promising .I think the more eclectic the blog the better and humour is good too. I am so pleased Chris Glamorgan has come back.
Beware Ordo the dragons of war are let loose

 
At 1 October 2007 at 22:29 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ordovicious is a hoot. He seems to think that people go on his blog to read his pedestrian posts on matters of the day. Well I go on there to read the comments.

 
At 1 October 2007 at 23:20 , Blogger johnny foreigner said...

Nonny @ 16:54.

This thread began with my posting about Ordo's hypocrisy in whingeing about Chinese censorship and then carrying out the self-same activity himself. I was merely identifying him as a hypocrite, which appears to now be self evident.

He seems to think of himself as some sort of 'minor celebrity' in the blogmosphere, and consequently, I feel that as he has grossly insulted me, I am now entitled to seek justification or a withdrawal of his carelessly made remark.

I have no need to recourse to Law as I am more than capable of reminding him at every convenient opportunity of his wrongdoing. This will hopefully have a detrimental effect on what credibility he may have and will serve my purpose satisfactorily.

I am not the one to stand by and be labelled as a racist by such as he.

The generally unspoken code of conduct seems to be self-policing, wherein foul and obscene postings would normally be deleted by the blog author but reasonable banter would be permited.

Unfortunately, the Odourous One semms to make his own rules , in that regard, and expects others to accept his offensive insults and do nothing. I am not the one to let him get away with this.

I have had some minor success with a Welsh language blog in the USA:
http://aderyncan.blogspot.com/ wherein he sought to further insult me and dismiss me on the grounds that I am obsessed with him. We were both 'ticked off' by the blog owner and she closed the posting. Job done.

I would suggest that unbounded determination to have Ordo address the matter, like a man, may be misconstrued as obsession, but I would prefer the term dogged determination and tenacity, and that's right up my street.

I prefer to remain as 'your pal johnny' as it suits my purpose. Some people prefer to post under their own names, that again is their choice. It's quite democratic really.

Your pursuant pal.

johnny.

 
At 2 October 2007 at 02:42 , Blogger johnny foreigner said...

Hello Mam.

Only too happy to help Ma'am.

There are too many on this Welsh blogmosphere who are just a little bit too far 'up themselves' and occasionally need to be brought back to reality.

I feel that I must disagree with your comment that we in Wales "have never been inward".

Unfortunately, in my experience, the more Nationalistic areas of Wales have always been seen as rather 'tribal' and somewhat unwelcoming to 'outsiders' or even 'incomers', but there's no inward looking on our blogs,eh?

Unfortunately, some of our previous bloggers appear to have been 'nobbled' but I am sure others will step into the breach.

There's no 'war' with Ordo, this is a minor skirmish with a minor, and just a simple case him taking responsibility for his accusation. I'm around for the duration.

Your primary pal.

johnny.

 
At 2 October 2007 at 02:45 , Blogger johnny foreigner said...

Nonny @ 22:29.

To be honest, I do much the same.

I'm particularly unimpressed by his capacity for the snide comments which seem to pervade his blog.

Your pleasant pal.

johnny.

 
At 2 October 2007 at 09:55 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Things are clarifying. I have found it helps to name a thing when you are confronting it with the 'determination and tenacity' you are describing. Can you list the characteristics/behaviour this blogger has displayed. For instance you have said, above, this blogger is a hypocrite, a censor... and ...?...?...?

 
At 3 October 2007 at 01:13 , Blogger johnny foreigner said...

Nonny @ 09:55.

My antennae are quivering slightly at this request for further adjectival descriptions of the blogger concerned.

Are you the respondent who describes themself as "legally trained"?

You say....

"I have found it helps to name a thing when you are confronting it with the 'determination and tenacity' you are describing."

I have already given my description, and, in my not inconsiderable experience, I find that it is far more effective to keep to the original description, as further adjectives could possibly confuse the issue and weaken the originals.

Suffice to say, I will repeat that Odovicius has acted in a hypocritical manner, has censored my postings and has maliciously and unjustifiably branded me as a racist.

What more do I need?

Your prudent pal.

johnny.

 
At 3 October 2007 at 03:43 , Blogger Alwyn ap Huw said...

Johnny, it isn't your opinion that pisses me off it is your style, the your (silly comment) pal, your hay nanny no before a comment and all that crap.

You and Sanddef have a lot in common, you are the only two Welsh political bloggers who use the terms yup and nope, rather than "yes" and "no", you both have a superior knowledge of tracking services, you both also make typical Welsh speakers linguistic mistakes when writing in English.

You two have so much in common perhaps you should kiss and make up and become best of friends rather than worst of enemies. Self-hatred is such a horrible thing.

 
At 3 October 2007 at 04:45 , Blogger johnny foreigner said...

You're up late Alwyn.

I'm sorry that my style upsets you but there is some 'method in my madness'.

My customary signing-off with 'your ***** pal johnny' is just a simple demonstration of the vast breadth of expression that lives within the English language, wherein, one word says so much.

I've only used the letter 'p' so far, so I'm afraid you that you will have to suffer my indulgence for another 25 letters, and that's before I start on my Klingon dictionary.

Further, I have always had an interest in words and, hopefully, readers may wonder what these words mean. They will then, again hopefully, look them up and gain something from the experience.

There's enough promotion of the Welsh language already.

What's wrong with promoting the use of English?

You chide me on the occasional use of the vernacular. What's the problem? We're not in the Plenary. These blogs are generally made in more conversational prose and this surely doesn't detract from the content.

Despite your protest regarding the use of such words as 'yup' and 'nope', you, yourself, used the word 'crap' in your response. Pots, kettles, black.

You are quite wrong when you claim that I have "superior knowledge of tracking services". I leave all that sneaky stuff to Ordo and I have little use for it.

I would be interested to learn from you of the "typical Welsh speakers linguistic mistakes when writing in English", if only to learn from my mistakes.

I have little in common with Ordo as I try to avoid the use of snide expressions. I avoid hatred and try to treat people in the same way that they treat me.

Unfortunately, Ordo has branded me as a racist for my anti-nationalist views and has refused to justify or withdraw his allegation.

I would not refer to anyone in such a manner unless I had definite proof that could justify it. Put yourself in my place and tell me what you would do.

I have no self-hatred or hatred of anyone and would gladly engage in discourse with Ordo, but I am banned from his blog and he refuses to address the matter of his foul insult.

Until he does, I will continue to remind him of his wrongdoing, as and when I choose. Hopefully, one day, he will recognise that his comment may have been made in haste without full appreciation of the offence that it has caused.

Unfortunately, to date, he has been unable to summon the courage to do so. Instead he seeks to dismiss me as being 'obsessed' with him.

Of course, he may wish to publicly justify his allegation, which I would look forward to. I won't hold my breath.

I am a nice friendly sort of person but as far as Ordo is concerned, the boy has much to learn.

Despite all this, I will simply sign off to you personally:

Sir, I wish to remain,

your humble and obedient servant.

John Foreigner.

Press Officer: None of these Turkeys Party.

 
At 3 October 2007 at 05:24 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

"am a nice friendly sort of person but as far as Ordo is concerned, the boy has much to learn."

Yes, he really has to stop raving on about you. No wait, it's the other way around!

 
At 3 October 2007 at 09:52 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I was the Anon who is legally trained and there is no need for the antennae to twitch, while I do understand that it might have looked like a bit of a trap I am being straight with these questions. I think they may have clarified certain key elements.
Here's another question posed in the same spirit.
You say 'I am a British Welshman born and bred'. In which case how can you be racist towards someone of your own nationality? Or is that other blogger saying you have been racist towards other groups?

 
At 3 October 2007 at 19:43 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

ie: Are we to conclude that this allegation is just another trick to attempt to silence debate?

 
At 3 October 2007 at 19:53 , Blogger johnny foreigner said...

Nonny @ 05:24

You said....

"Yes, he really has to stop raving on about you. No wait, it's the other way around!"

johnny says....

'Fraid not Nonny.

Ordo started it, and I'll finish it.

He has branded me as a racist for my anti-nationalist views, and up with that I will not put.

Put yourself in my place, what would you do?

Your pal.

johnny.

 
At 3 October 2007 at 21:46 , Blogger johnny foreigner said...

Nonny @ 09:52. (Legally trained).

You said....

"You say 'I am a British Welshman born and bred'. In which case how can you be racist towards someone of your own nationality?"

johnny says....

Exactly. Ordo's allegation was made after I had posted a comment disagreeing with nationalism.

I believe that his comment, and the ban from his blog, was an attempt to silence me.

I am not sure if his allegation was concerning other races, I think that it was mainly due to my anti-Welsh Nationalist viewpoint.

Nevertheless, a racist is a racist.

Unfortunately I am not so easily silenced and will continue to ask Ordo to justify or withdraw.

Your pal.

johnny.

 
At 3 October 2007 at 21:47 , Blogger johnny foreigner said...

Nonny @ 19:43.

Presumably.

Your pal.

johnny.

 
At 4 October 2007 at 09:30 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Final question (from Legal-Anon). Now we've established this blogger's tactics; attitude towards debate; use of threats such as electronic surveillance 'out-ing'; and so on I decided to look at his blog as you suggested. How, if he is seen by so many other bloggers to be what he is, has he been chosen to give out annual blog awards? I ask because isn't it these awards (backed by his threats) which give him power over other bloggers. You know the sort of thing carrot if you agree with him, stick if you don't.

 
At 4 October 2007 at 12:21 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Johnny "Legal Anon" Sockpuppet

what drugs are you on? The blog awards a "carrot"? Get a grip! Well done to Ordo for taking the time to try and organize a blogger event. It's called socializing, not carrot waving. Jog along.

 
At 4 October 2007 at 17:35 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's interesting that Alwyn spots "typical Welsh speakers linguistic mistakes" in Ordo's posts. I was under the impression that he was brought up in England and only learnt Welsh as an adult. The only similarity I've noted between Johnny and Sanddef is that they both post in the early hours of the morning.

 
At 4 October 2007 at 20:47 , Blogger johnny foreigner said...

Legal Nonny @ 09:30.

I don't think that Ordo has been actually chosen to give out annual blog awards.

I think that he has undertaken the activity as a somewhat light hearted execise and that it is of his own volition. The awards are just a bit of fun, from what I have seen.

Obviously one has to meet with Ordo's explicit approval in order to be considered.

Of course, people such as I, would obviously be excluded for failure to adhere to Ordo's viewpoint, and the fact that I'm banned from his blog would, presumably, disqualify me anyway.

Come to think of it, I may even start my own award for the blogger who gets banned from the most blogs. I would certainly be a hot contender.

Maybe he needs a break from all the snide comments that he makes, and uses the awards to bring a little balance to his life.

Never having sought fame or glory, I am quite happy to carry on as I am, bereft of Ordo's recognition and on the outside of his particular clique.

The only award that I would seek from Ordo, is the justification or withdrawal of his foul accusation that I am a racist. That award would have more value.

Sadly, I believe that Ordo knows that he has gone a little far and seems unable to address the issue.

Your panegyric pal.

johnny.

 
At 4 October 2007 at 20:53 , Blogger johnny foreigner said...

Highly bemused:

It is a little strange that Ordo's awards are given in the main to his supporters and consequently have no value.

They are his awards after all and he can please himself.

Your post hoc pal.

johnny.

 
At 4 October 2007 at 20:58 , Blogger johnny foreigner said...

Nonny @ 17:35 said....

"The only similarity I've noted between Johnny and Sanddef is that they both post in the early hours of the morning."

johnny says....

Please be assured that we both return to our caskets before the first rays of the deadly Sun strike us.

It just makes work for others, what with all that dust.

Your pre-pulverulent pal.

johnny.

 
At 5 October 2007 at 10:31 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

highly confused - the legal one certainly hit a nerve with you. Was it a bit too close to home?

 
At 5 October 2007 at 14:28 , Blogger johnny foreigner said...

Nah, not really, but I do exercise a little caution when such 'unusual' questions are asked.

Nevertheless, I believe that I have answered in a straightforward manner. Unless, of course, you would disagree

The only real 'nerve' that has been struck is Ordo's unsubstantiated accusation of racism, as yet unaddressed.

Your patient pal.

johnny.

 
At 5 October 2007 at 17:20 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

it wasn't aimed at you, my comment was aimed at the one calling himself highly bemused.

 
At 5 October 2007 at 18:59 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

In other words the desperate tone of highly bemused's posting showed how rattled he was and how much the legal one had hit his central nerve right on its head. Who had most to lose by the question 'who chose ordovicious to be the giver of awards, sticks, carrots?' A clue? The answer starts with O is 11 letters long and finishes with S

 
At 5 October 2007 at 19:03 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

hey jonny isn't this the big conversation you wanted dont lose your nercves nowq good on yer

 
At 6 October 2007 at 07:16 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

"In other words the desperate tone of highly bemused's posting showed how rattled he was and how much the legal one had hit his central nerve right on its head."

LOL

Funny, looks like it's you that's a bag of nerves to me. Do go on.

 
At 6 October 2007 at 13:41 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Nailed shb (o.........s) you're nailed.

 
At 6 October 2007 at 15:23 , Blogger johnny foreigner said...

Nonny @ 18:59.

Wrong again! Your clue should be 10 letters beginning with O and ending with S.

Not OrdoviciOus. It's ORDOVICIUS.

Don't upset him for goodness sake, otherwise he'll ban me from this blog.

Your pal.

johnny.

 
At 6 October 2007 at 15:28 , Blogger johnny foreigner said...

Anonymous said...

"Nailed shb (o.........s) you're nailed."

06 October 2007 13:41

johnny says....

Well spotted.

Extreme Tracker available to all.

Your pal.

johnny.

 
At 6 October 2007 at 18:48 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

wrong? are you sure? doesnt the way I spelt it describe what a nastylittle sneak he is?

 
At 7 October 2007 at 00:55 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oh bugger ... I always spell it Ordovicious and now Sanddef is going to think I've called him a nasty little sneak and probably track me down and have me hauled-up before the blog-beak. Guess I should think up a blogname ... er any suggestions?

 
At 7 October 2007 at 01:15 , Blogger johnny foreigner said...

How's about:

Banned on the run.

Your pal.

johnny.

 
At 7 October 2007 at 09:48 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

bottom line? the nasstylittle sneak dosen't give a s..t about you, me. what he posts, what he says, what the reactions are. He is raking in money with that crap blogsite just look at the adverts the more he stirs things up the more hits he gets the more money he rakes in. His ego-maniac awards are just another way of influencing otjer bloggers. His threats of sneak surveillance (which only campbell and mandelson woulc have joined him in the sewer to use) are the 'frightener' tactics of a bully, sneak, and coward. But does he give a s..t? No. he's still raking it in. the best way to deal with his sort of pond-life is to ignore him,. Don't click on to his site and he won't get paid.

 
At 29 December 2007 at 01:17 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Like all Nationalists, they say one thing and do another. Plaid is full of them. They use their little stormtroopers in Cymuned (Aran) to do that which they won't get involved with themselves. These kind of people always criticise, they never put anything feasible or positive forward. The whole Nash thing would collapse overnight without the subsidies and grants their leaders wangle themselves for their own projects. Interesting now that Plaid have shared power to see that Plaid controlled councils in the North getting less in settlement than they did under Labour. Soon they will implode and fragment into new political groups again. It's already happening big style in Gwynedd.

 

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