Sunday 17 February 2008

MPs Misled? Depression and ME cured?

As promised, here's an article written by Steve Donnison the owner of www.benefitsandwork.co.uk disability benefits advice website giving an account of Prof. Mansel Aylward's attitude towards the questioning of his methods.

This article is posted here with full permission.



MPs Misled? Stress, Depression And M.E. Cured?
© 2005 Steve Donnison
26th. July 2005
http://www.benefitsandwork.co.uk

Were MPs misled into believing that the President of the Appeals Service agreed that private sector doctors working for the DWP were better trained than the doctors who sit on appeal tribunals? And are we about to witness a drug free revolution in the treatment of conditions such as stress, depression and ME/CFS that will see many thousands of sufferers miraculously returned to health, happiness and work?

Lumps of meat.

In December 2003 Professor Mansel Aylward CB Chief Medical Advisor of the DWP's Corporate Medical Group gave evidence to the Public Accounts Committee's enquiry into progress in improving the medical assessment of incapacity and disability benefits.
The committee was very concerned by the fact that 51% of appeals against IB and DLA decisions were being won by claimants. There was clear scepticism about the skills and commitment of privatised doctors working for Schlumberger Sema. One MP questioned whether the doctors were "genuinely concerned about the actual people they are assessing" or whether they "just treat them as a lump of meat" and "are not really all that bothered, are they, as long as they are getting their fee?" (According to evidence given at this hearing, doctors get between £50 -£70 per medical, which would allow them to earn in excess of £100,000 a year).
Professor Aylward CB leapt to the defence of the private doctors. He claimed that the Appeal Service statistics, which showed that one third of all cases were won by claimants because the privatised doctor underestimated their disability, were wrong. The Professor claimed to have taken a random sample of these cases and, using "judgment, and a scientific method" found that, in his professional opinion, in half the cases the disability had not been underestimated.
In other words, in the Professor's professional opinion, the privatised doctors had got it right and the tribunals had got it wrong. However, because tribunals ask questions which should have been, but were not, asked during hasty medicals they tend to discover more about the claimant's disability than cash driven examining doctors do. The Professor didn't explain - and wasn't asked - how his "scientific method" took into account all the additional evidence given under cross examination at the tribunal to which he had no access
Instead, Professor Aylward argued that the reason for the difference in opinion between tribunals and privatised doctors was that the privatised doctors were better trained.

Undeserving poor.

One of the MPs returned to this matter later, telling the Professor that he they needed to "cut out inappropriate payment" of benefits because "we want those who do not deserve the money not to be having taxpayers' money". Why, he asked did this problem of poor training of tribunal doctors happen? "This obviously must be a persistent thing for you to make the point. Why has it persisted?"
Professor Aylward answered gravely that:
"I find difficulty in responding to that because I think this is a matter for the Appeals Service and not directly for me. I am working very closely with the president of the Appeals Service to ensure that difference is remedied, particularly in regard to the criteria which doctors now need to meet in order to remain on the medical register in the process of GMC revalidation".
This was a very important claim. What the Professor was saying was that not only was there a problem with the training and validation of Appeals Service doctors, but it was clearly accepted that this was the case because Judge Harris, the president of the Appeals Service, was working with him to remedy the difference.
Alan Williams MP apparently now convinced that privatised doctors were getting it right and tribunals getting it wrong, went on to say that:
"Quite an important observation is being made here. It has implicit in it the fact that money is going to the wrong places or not going to the right places. It is lots of public money. If the professor has observed this, have you fed it into the system? If so, at what level have you fed it in?"
Professor Aylward responded:
"I fed it in at the highest level. I fed it in at the highest level in the Appeals Service. I have made my colleagues in DWP aware of it recently. It is not something which one concludes without some quite significant data research and evidence, so I have only recently reached this conclusion".
By the end of the hearing, so convinced did the committee appear to be by the evidence of the Professor that Alan Williams was talking about the possibility of finding "a pot of money" to improve the training of Appeals Service doctors.

Absent minded professor.

Here at Benefits and Work we were very concerned at the possibility that one party to the appeals process appeared to be in a position to influence the President of the Appeals Service and possibly persuade him that his doctors should be trained by a privatised company in order to reduce the number of claimants winning appeals.
At the time there was nothing much we could do about it. But with the introduction of the Freedom of Information Act we finally had our chance. So we made a request to see copies of any communications between Professor Aylward and the Appeals Service, relating to such things as panel members training, monitoring, quality assurance, and the criteria members need to meet to be selected. That, we thought, should get us a fine haul of documents.
We were wrong.
Instead, we received a response from Professor Aylward CB stating that:
"In response to your request for information, I have not personally written to Judge Harris or anyone else within or connected to the Appeals Service on any of the four listed topics in the period from January 2003. Therefore I do not hold any such communications on the specified matter."
Odd, we thought. Still, perhaps he's one of those absent minded Professors. Maybe, if we remind him what he told the Public Accounts Committee we'll have better luck. So we made a further request, quoting in detail from the Professor's evidence and asking for information about such things as the work the Professor had undertaken with Judge Harris and any documents relating to it.
What we got back was another email from the Professor himself, stating that:
"In response to your requests for information as listed in your email of 4 April 2005, I have no documents or communications as it is not within my roles and responsibilities to be involved in the training, quality assurance and management of the medically qualified panel members of the tribunals. This is a matter for the Appeals Service judiciary. The limited feedback I have given to the Appeals Service has been given verbally. The appeals service has been offered full use of training modules undertaken by examining doctors in Atos Origin Medical Services".
We were astonished. Hadn't he told the committee that he was "working very closely with the President of the Appeals Service"? Had he not fed his conclusions, based on all that magnificent scientific method, data research and evidence in at the highest level of the Appeals Service? Well . . . umm, not exactly no. What he'd done is give "limited feedback" verbally.

Nothing to do with me, guv.

We wrote to the Professor, explaining that we were going to write about his evidence and asking for any comment he might have on what we considered was the apparent disparity between his evidence to the Public Accounts Committee that he was working very closely with Judge Harris and his statement to us that he had given only limited verbal feedback. We pointed out that
"Given that the potential effect of your evidence appeared to be the undermining of MPs faith in the judgements of Appeals Service doctors and the boosting of their confidence in Atos Origin doctors this seems an extremely important matter".
The Professor responded thus:
"I do not accept that my statement to the Public Accounts Committee is at variance with my subsequent communication with the President of Appeal Tribunals having been verbal and not written".
Perhaps not. But is there really no difference between "working closely with" the President of the Appeals Service and giving "limited feedback" to the Appeals Service? Professor Aylward CB went on to say:
"I repeat that this issue of training and quality assurance of tribunal members is a matter for the Appeals Service Judiciary".
Quite so. And the issue of whether or not the Chief Adisor at Medical Services misled a commons committee is a matter for that committee and not for us. We are writing to our MP asking that he refer the matter to the Public Accounts Committee and that the Professor's evidence be further investigated.

Nice work if you can get it.

This is not a small matter for two reasons.
Firstly, Professor Aylward CB's evidence to the Committee carried with it the implication that a large number of disabled people are not only claiming money to which they are not entitled, but also that they are so good at giving false evidence that they can fool experienced tribunals into believing them.
Secondly, not long after the Committee hearing, the bidding process started for a contract for £500 million of taxpayers money to carry out DLA and incapacity benefit medicals for a further seven years. Schlumberger Sema, now swallowed up by Atos Origin, faced stiff competition from other multinationals hungry for this profitable work. The opinions of bodies like the Public Accounts Committee about present provision would have to be taken into account in deciding who should get the contract.
In March of this year it was announced that Atos Origin had held onto the contract.
Stupid doctors, wise professors
At the same time a new research centre was being set up at Cardiff University, funded by an American based multinational, Unum Provident, who provide sickness insurance cover to employers. The opening of the £1.6 million UnumProvident Centre for Psychosocial and Disability Research was attended by Works and Pensions Minister Alan Johnson and Wales' First Minister Rhodri Morgan.
The aim of the centre is to find out why so many people go off sick with what it refers to as "complaints which cannot be understood in the same way as more identifiable diseases". The kinds of conditions they have in mind are stress, depression and ME/CFS. The centre is particularly interested in "the doctor/patient relationship and how this affects an individual's reaction to their illness". The centre aims, within the next five years, to "facilitate a significant re-orientation in current medical practise in the UK" in order to "bring benefits to employers, insurers and to society as a whole; but more importantly, it will benefit the individual who is healthier and happier when actively involved in work."
Or, to put it another way, the research centre hopes to persuade GPs to stop signing so many people off sick with conditions like stress, depression and ME.
And the person who is to head this new centre, bringing increased wealth to UnumProvident shareholders and big savings to the DWP?
Step forward Professor Mansel Aylward CB, former Chief Medical Officer at the DWP, recently appointed Chair in Psychosocial and Disability Research at Cardiff University and now Director of the UnumProvident Centre for Psychosocial and Disability Research. And those of you with less "identifiable diseases" rejoice: within five years the Professor of Limited Feedback will have you healthier, happier and back at work.

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I hope that this helps my reader to more fully understand the methods by which the privatisation of the DWP is being undertaken.

Your pal.

johnny.

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17 Comments:

At 17 February 2008 at 08:37 , Blogger Bimbo Bluestocking said...

Thank you very much johnny for publishing this article- most informative!

I've started my own blog recently:

http://officiousseeingeyebithc.blogspot.com/

I'm finding your blog very interesting and useful.

 
At 18 February 2008 at 01:08 , Blogger johnny foreigner said...

Hello bimbo.

Thanks for your visit and kind words of encouragement.

I think that our 'seeingeyes' are on the same wavelength.

Kindly call in again, any time.

Your pal.

johnny.

 
At 19 February 2008 at 08:46 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

OK my name is Robert, from llanelli, in 1990 I had a massive fall at work, which left me without the use of bowel or bladder, I had a major spinal operation which then went wrong as MRSA moved to my spinal cord.

I had numerous problems with walking being told at one time you will not walk again, I can walk now with crutches or stick for about an hour, before returning to a wheelchair.

Now I've returned to work on numerous occasions always part time always doing rubbish jobs for people who treat me like a child.

I have been on BBC radio a few times fighting against the closure of Remploy factories, and the Welfare reforms, a few weeks ago boy was I set up, but I should have known Brown was going to give his speech,.

To night Week In, week out, will talk about dentists, sadly I'll not watch it again.

But since the formation of the DDA it's now harder to find work not easier, people now have legal duties to wards the disabled and employers do not like this.

But lets be honest why would an employer want to employ me, you will know your self lets say working in a shop, you need to be able to do numerous jobs, filling up a shelve to working on the till, well I cannot do this.

But the fact is New labour is about making life hell for us, I wrote to our dearly beloved leader, asking well since I've failed to find a job, how about you giving me one.

I wrote to Plaid who did not bother answering, I wrote to the Tories who told me to join the party and fight for my rights, and of course new labour who phoned me back asking are you going to rejoin the party, when I said no they told me to and I quote, p*ss off.

The fact is in llanelli we have Polish workers living in a shanty town, we have for every job I go for about ten polish workers, I've no chance at all.

The jobs which were given to the disabled like the NHS are in fact laying off, Labour closed the benefits office another source of work.

SO what did that Moron Mathews the PhD find me working in a Café, can you imagine me in a café so small you cannot swing a cat, in a wheelchair. god forgive New labour because I will not

 
At 20 February 2008 at 01:10 , Blogger johnny foreigner said...

Hello Robert.

Thanks for your further input.

Your case is quite typical of the nonsensical attitude towards the disabled shown by the Government and its agencies.

It is clear that your everyday medical problems have a profound effect on your ability to undertake and maintain any 'normal' type of employment.

Dr. Matthews assertions that you would be able to obtain employment were just another example of his total lack of knowledge of the daily efforts that must be made by many disabled folk in order to undertake the normal functions of everyday life.

His ridiculous suggestion of Cafe work was typical of this.

I believe that your claim that computer courses are expensive may be incorrect. I have been informed that there may be courses available in your local colleges that may be undertaken for the payment of a £10 or £20 administration fee. Check them out, you may be surprised.

Nevertheless, from my limited knowledge of your particular situation, I would have to agree with you, that a decent mainstream job will take some finding.

As you say, jobs for disabled people are generally low skill, low pay and that the disabled are frequently treated as if they are children.

After reading your latest comment, I telephoned the Week in Week Out office and was fortunate to be able speak, at some length, to Gareth Jones, the programme producer.

I was able to acquaint him with the other side of the coin regarding the Pathways to Work scheme and its introduction as nothing more than a cynical cost saving exercise with the clear intention of 'migrating' the majority of disabled claimants onto Job Seekers Allowance at rates significantly lower than Incapacity Benefit.

I also informed him that it was particularly irritating that as a result of programmes such as this and the BBC's On the Fiddle programme, screened last year, that the majority of Incapacity Claimants had been portrayed as scroungers, malingerers and fraudsters.

I was able to give him much in the way of research material regarding the involvement of UNUM, the "OUTLAW" American Insurance company in the ethos of the Pathways to Work scheme.

He was also given more than enough background material regarding Prof. Mansel Aylward's intimate associations with UNUM. He was certainly interested in the considerable amount of information regarding Mansel Aylward's activities that I have unearthed.

He was unaware of many of these interesting facts and he promised to undertake further research. I suggested to him that a programme detailing the more unsavoury methods of disability analysis would restore the factual balance somewhat.

I gave him details of some of the more ridiculous decisions made by the DWP against disabled claimants by the use of UNUM's disgraceful methods, which definitely surprised him.

He did indicate that I had certainly enough information on which to base a further programme to restore the balance but naturally that any decision would be made by higher authority in the BBC.

Incidentally, I did ask him about the frequent close-ups of Dr. Matthews' black cowboy boots and the response was that this was Television stylisation. Presumably this was to indicate that the cowboys were in town.

Please keep in touch, as this battle is far from being lost. Also, you may be assured that you are far from being alone in your protest and that there are many of us out here who constantly question and probe the underhanded methods employed by the DWP.

Good luck.

Your pal.

johnny.

 
At 20 February 2008 at 07:47 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Here is a good one Dr Merrill Mathews works for a company called IPI's Institute of Policy and Innovation.

Mathews works in the UK is a continuation of IPI's Global free market Public policy, efforts of intellectual property,, Health care and now Welfare reforms.

IPI experts are available for interviews.

Dr Mathews is a major party of this company being a director.

As I said before another company jumping from American onto our money making band wagon.


But his Bio is worth reading and what he was or still is involved in.

 
At 21 February 2008 at 00:52 , Blogger johnny foreigner said...

Helo Nonny @ 07:47.

Thanks for the heads up regarding Merrill Matthews. Now I know why our friend from Llanelli says that Matthews is not a 'proper' doctor.

It seems that he is a doctor of philosophy and not a medical doctor.

I wonder why the BBC didn't clarify that? Generally speaking, when a person is referred to as a doctor the inference is usually that that means a medical doctor. The sneaky devils.

I note that Matthews is available for interviews. Now.......I wonder?

No probably not. He'd want paying.

Still, it's nice to see that I am not the only one who is on the trail of the "OUTLAWS".

That reminds me, I should be crossing paths with Rhodri soon, so I think that it's time to put him on the spot and get a definitive answer to the "awkward" question regarding Assembly associations with the "OUTLAWS".

Maybe it's time to form a posse. White cowboy hats only please, we're the 'goodies'.

Your pal.

johnny.

 
At 29 February 2008 at 20:42 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Johnny check out huw lewis site - he is talking about his good friend again

 
At 2 March 2008 at 18:39 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

thought you maybe interested in this johnny, there are other sources but it seems to fit into you thinking that they are now trying to say Mental Health Drug don't work so why are people depressed, just get back to work.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/health/article3434486.ece

 
At 2 March 2008 at 23:32 , Blogger johnny foreigner said...

Thanks for that, Mam.

I wonder if he will post my comments, I've certainly got a couple of interesting questions to ask him?

Let's give it a go.

Your pal.

johnny.

 
At 3 March 2008 at 02:58 , Blogger johnny foreigner said...

Hello Nonny @ 18:39.

Thanks for the link.

It would appear that the Government are happy to see such statistics irrespective of the truth or otherwise of the conclusions drawn.

It seems that the financial implications of doing away with medications for depressive illnesses combined with Mansel Aylward's mantra of 'Work makes Happiness' will be the cure-all that they seek in order to reduce the Benefits and NHS bills.

Of course, those poor souls who may be denied treatments and who are forced to prepare themselves for mythical employment opportunities will just become yet more statistics and we all know how cheap statistics are to maintain.

I have some experience in everyday stress, anxiety and depression management and the basic cures for these ills are simply to remove the stressful or depressive factors in a patient's life.

Unfortunately, this does not apply to the more clinically depressed and the consensus of opinion is that one-to-one therapies are generally more effective but they are more expensive than medications and consequently the Government would not wish to spend too much if they could possibly avoid it.

They BioPsychoSocial concept that Mansel Aylward and his mates at UNUM espouse is not part of the mainstream of medical thinking but is being adopted by Government in what I see as a cynical strategy to save money.

I'm just off to Huw Lewis's blog to ask a couple of pertinent questions. I wonder if he'll respond?

Your pal.

johnny.

 
At 3 March 2008 at 14:56 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

ive posted too Johnny but no reply yet
I live in expectation

 
At 4 March 2008 at 16:01 , Blogger johnny foreigner said...

Hello Mam.

As you may see, Huw has responded to my posting on his blog and has asked me to contact his office and provide identity and contact details...OOoooh! too much information at this time.

I have made contact with them and have spoken at length to one of his staff. Huw was busy at the time, earning a crust in the Plenary.

I provided plenty of good information for them to mull over and have promised to call them again next week to see if Huw would care to make a comment or three.

I wonder why Huw hasn't posted your comment? Have you been controversial again? You can post it here if you like and we can all benefit from your wisdom. You never know, Huw himself may even pop in for a peep although I expect that he will be suitably disguised.

No moderation here, folks!

All classes catered for.

Your pal.

johnny.

 
At 19 March 2008 at 22:06 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

hey Johnny nice to meet you on the Bevan Blog
Good post and some good comments
I will check out Huws Blog, he often foesnt post my comments I think I am a bit too close too home

 
At 19 March 2008 at 23:19 , Blogger johnny foreigner said...

Hello Mam.

Nice to hear you, to hear you, nice,

I think that you're wasting your time at Huw's. He only wants to hear what he wants to hear. His latest offering, eulogising Alistair Darling's budget really takes the biscuit for brown-nosing.

I note that Huw does go on a bit about NuLab's efforts on 'child poverty'. I don't think that he realises that child poverty is generally brought about by the poverty of their parents.

There again, I suppose child poverty is much more of a heart string tugger.

I seem to have upset Mr. Normal with my posting regarding Mansel's NHS reconfiguration and mentioning the "outlaws" UNUM in the same context. Another 'no-reply' from him claiming to know "nothing about the issue". This surprised me a little, as my efforts to publicise the "issue" have been spread quite widely around the Blogmosphere.

He must have seen or heard of it somewhere.

I had a similar response from Glyn Davies but, to his credit, he said that he would ask a researcher to produce a 'paper' on the UNUM question. I'll just ask again at an appropriate time.

I have tried to elicit a response to the UNUM/WAG/Aylward question from the Bevan blog with no response as yet. Victoria Winckler did say that she was a bit busy at the moment, so I'll give her a couple of days and hopefully may get a response from the collective 'tank'.

I'm beginning to feel a bit like the little boy and the Emperor's New Clothes.

This 'issue' is not going away.

Your pal.

johnny.

 
At 2 April 2008 at 12:40 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I find the government's view that people on IB and DLA are work shy insulting. There may be some who fiddle the system and I can guarantee that they will still manage to do it even after a crackdown! The people who will and are suffering, because of government policy, are those who are genuinely ill. Who is their right mind would give up a decent job earning nearly £20,000 a year for for a measly £86 a week or so Incapacity Benefit? Or have to downsize their house because they can't afford the running cost anymore, or be in debt because the amount paid to them isn't enough for a dog to live on let alone a person! don't get me wrong, I am glad that we have a welfare system and I am grateful that i get something. But I am hardly going to get rich on it.

http://www.youtube.com/kaazoom

Two and a half years ago I was working in a job that I enjoyed working with profoundly disabled children. I developed an illness that affects my speech, memory,concentration and walking. I constantly feel, have various aches and pains, I get involuntary movements, feel dizzy after standing for a few minutes. I can walk a short distance with a stick, but all of my symptoms become worse once I sit down. I have seen 4 neurologists, who still don't know what is wrong with me, although they have tried to suggest that it is all in my head! It is possible that I have mE but my symptoms are not quite the same as others that I know.

I do get IB at the moment and, after a long fight and going to a tribunal, I get DLA. I am one of those people whose has "complaints which cannot be understood in the same way as more identifiable diseases". So I am a prime candidate for them to target. I would dearly love to work. I have worked all of my life and loved the work I was doing before becoming ill. But what work could I possibly do? I cannot stand for more than a few minutes, I cannot lift without increasing my involuntary movements and dizziness, I would have problems with any job that requires lots of concentration, good memory and speech skills. Even sitting upright in the same spot for more than half an hour makes my symptoms worse. In fact I feel crap all of the time. Who in their right mind would employ me?

I am more than happy to work, I'm not even bothered too much what the work is, but it is one thing being willing to work and quite another being able to!

 
At 16 April 2008 at 16:27 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

hey johnny are you still around?
lots of stuff for you to comment on sir.

 
At 16 April 2008 at 20:08 , Blogger johnny foreigner said...

Hello nonnies.

Yep, I'm still around. I've been a bit busy lately with family matters.

Word of advice: don't retire. I've never been so busy since retirement. Everyone thinks that I've nothing to do and have all day in which to do it.

I've kept an eye open on the blogmosphere and, you're right, there is so much stuff that needs a johnny comment.

I haven't been idle and will post this week on more 'interesting' associations that have come to light.

Your pal.

johnny.

 

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